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6/29/2010 10:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
janellel

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AZ Boycott

Why are fans in AZ being punished for a bill that was signed into to office and not voted in? I don't think boycotting AZ's fan base because you don't agree with Jan Brewer isn't the best way to raise awareness of the opposition.

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8/22/2010 3:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
User Rankizzygirl

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Re: AZ Boycott

BrokynHalo,

You lost all credibility with your first statement, "I haven't read the bill ..." Geesh, get a clue, dude. So you LATER read the bill. Whoop-de-do. Congrats for getting a clue and at the very least, READING what you were spouting off about. Next time, get informed, FIRST.

A number of points:

1) Irregardless is not a word.
2) The vast majority of citizens in Arizona support the bill.
3) Governors routinely sign in to law bills that have passed the legislature. We do not live in a democracy, as so many incorrectly believe. We live in a representative republic and unfortunately, not every law is voted on by the citizens.
4) So WHAT if a few darker skinned people are (oh horror!! - INCONVENIENCED) - by being asked about their citizenship status WHILE being questioned by police regarding ANOTHER possible crime they were committing ....
5) The U.S. is bordered by Mexico on the south and Mexicans are predominately brown skinned people. (Which, begs the question, how many WHITE, BLACKS or ASIANS live in Mexico? Hmmm??) And since we have 30 + ILLEGAL MEXICANS in the country .. then .. yeah .. duh .. maybe some Mexican Americans will be questioned. Shouldn't be a problem for them, if they really put their AMERICAN citizen ship ahead of their Mexican heritage.
6) We don't have 30 + million illegal Canadians ruining our economy, sucking our welfare benefits dry, dropping anchor babies and committing heinous crimes. If we DID, you'd bet the supporters of SB 1070 would be just as adamantly supporting the questioning of all suspicious whites bundled up in down parkas with faux fur hats. <tongue in cheek>
7) This is not a race issue, people like YOU are racists and are MAKING it a race issue.

Since you are so against this law, what would YOU do to get rid of all the millions of parasites living here illegally? I would seriously like to hear your suggestions.


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8/16/2010 10:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I joined you site just so I could tell you I will be trashing the music I had bought in the past and will not be listening to any of your music in the future. When you have people coming into your yard, dumping trash, shooting your family, leaving people to die, Tell me you won't call police to do somthing about it and expect them to respond. This is not a race issue. It's an America issue. I don't want your business and I won't be giving you mine. Thank and don't call police next time some one violates your stuff. :)


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8/14/2010 1:42 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

RE: Halo

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I don't think it's so terrible to be asked to show ID. I'm 42 and still have to show ID when I buy a bottle of wine...not because I look young, but because it's the law where I live. Every single person must be carded. Doesn't matter if you're 22 or 82.

I don't see any great harm here. I am not cold-hearted. I am not a right wing nut...or even a right wing anything. My views are probably more liberal than yours, haha.

But that's what great about where we live. Different people are allowed differing opinions. How boring would the world be if everyone believed in the exact same thing?! :)

Take care & peace


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8/12/2010 10:46 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

And to protest Maroon 5 protesting Arizona, I won’t be purchasing their new album.


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8/8/2010 12:55 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I hate that M5 has made me say this, but Lady GaGa has more sense than M5 and any other idiot boycotting Arizona.

"Do you really think that us dumb fucking pop stars are going to collapse the economy of Arizona? I'll tell you what we have to do about SB 1070. We have to be active. We have to actively protest."

Take a tip, Moron 5! I can't believe they are doing this to their fans, this was complete stupidity on their part. If you want to protest it, then do it. Arizona doesn't give a fuck whether you play there or not, but your FANS do.


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8/5/2010 2:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

RE: Bummed

I've since read the bill. My opinion has not changed. So what they put in wording discouraging racial profiling. How will they enforce it? How many Caucasian persons will be asked to provide proof of citizenship? What, pray tell, criteria has been established for "reasonable suspicion"? It is still vague. I understand the reasoning behind its creation, I don't have a problem with immigration reform but THIS bill is not the answer. Its very existence irregardless of its "discouragement" of profiling does in fact do the opposite.

The boycott I feel is a valid protest tool. I think loss of revenue makes a bigger impact than petitions or picket lines. Money talks. Its sad and pathetic that financial loss impacts a politician's view more than anything else. What I felt was trivial was the fact that instead of being upset that a bill was signed into law which, albeit unintentionally, encourages singling out a particular faction of the community; everyone's complaint was that they weren't going to be able to attend a concert.

As I said before, I reside in Texas, another state who shares its border with Mexico. We too have elevated crime rates in border towns as well as high unemployment rates. I also am a Hispanic citizen with Native American ancestors. I more than most can see both sides of this issue.

I don't take into consideration what a BAND believes when making MY opinions on issues. I read articles and listen to INFORMED persons opinions. No I did NOT read the bill myself when I made my opinion known. But my opinion was formed well before ANY band boycotted Arizona. Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions.

Have a pleasant evening. :)

WAY TO GO MAROON 5!

btw.. don't you feel that Gov. Brewer overstepped her authority when she signed that bill into law without ever putting it before the citizens of Arizona?


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8/4/2010 10:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

Re: BrokynHalo
Have you actually read the bill? No Hispanic (you should capitalize that, by the way) citizens' rights are being "impinged" upon. You're believing only what you want to hear and not the truth of what the bill states. If you are a citizen, you have no worries. Who hasn't been asked to show ID? You're creating martyrs where there are none, and you're talking about something you really do not understand...with all due respect.

And if this boycott is "so trivial" as you say, then why would they even bother. Again, M5 are succeeding at standing up for nothing. They, like you, do not have even a small grasp of the workings of this bill. You are following what you hear the left (and other celebrities and bands - GASP) screaming about...which boils down to a whole bunch of nothing to worry about. I'm baffled at the ignorance regarding the lack of understanding that supposedly intelligent folks have of this bill. Check it out - it might just open your mind a tad. Good day.


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8/4/2010 1:50 AM (GMT-08:00)
User RankBrokynHalo

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Re: AZ Boycott

I've not read the bill, but being from Texas I fully understand the impact of illegals on our economy and the stress it puts on our police force. HOWEVER, from what I've been made to understand the bill not only impinges on the civil liberties of hispanic citizens, it is practically impossible to prevent racial profiling. The wording may discourage it but how will the legislature prevent it when they won't be able to clearly identify it? The Homeland Security Act has given way for the government to become a dictatorship within the guise of "protecting us" from foreign and domestic terrorism, when in fact the real terrorists are the agents instilling unfounded fear in our citizens. I do NOT support the Arizona legislature's decision to put into law this bill. <br /><br />I do however feel for the fans in Arizona but if you really care about your citizens then demand a more clearly stated plan of action and a say as to whether this bill remains a law. Your rights have been trodden upon by the state's bypassing the vote. DEMAND your right to be heard. That is the reason for the boycott...not necessarily to repeal the law but to keep our citizens' rights from being trampled upon by the state/government. We've already lost so many of our freedoms due to the Homeland Security Act and GW Bush. Don't continue to let your freedoms and rights be chiseled away by overzealous bureaucrats.<br /><br />I fully support Maroon 5's decision to boycott. I do however wish to point out.. JESSE is always the one who does the research and informs the gentlemen. I cannot believe the Jesse would arbitrarily decide to endorse a boycott without fully informing himself and his bandmates of BOTH sides of the issue. That being said...my sympathies to all of the Arizona fans. IF something so trivial as this boycott will sour your love for the music then so be it. There are plenty of OTHER states that NEVER get concerts...count yourselves lucky that you had them to begin with.<br /><br />To the gentle men of Maroon5:<br /><br />More power to you for taking a stand no matter how unpopular and without regard to the financial repercussions. Bravo gentlemen!! Bravo.

EDIT:

has anyone considered that this law is very reminiscent of another movement that happened in the 40's? Only at that time the citizens required to show proof of their identities wore a YELLOW STAR on their clothing to identify themselves.

Just sayin...

THINK ABOUT IT.


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7/31/2010 9:32 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I am so disgusted with you guys about this stupid boycott. Maroon 5 used to be one of my favorite bands. But your idiotic stance, your desire to "defend" millions of criminals in our country, has opened my eyes. No longer will I listen to your music and I will certainly never buy another cd or track.

Have you given ANY thought to what you're doing? WHY are you defending people who are committing a crime? Do you have ANY idea of the destruction and horror so many of these illegals have caused our country? Are you even aware that over 9,000 AMERICANS are KILLED EVERY YEAR by illegals? And those are just the ones we know about. But I guess you have no concern for them, no sympathy for their loved ones. Why don't THEY matter to you? Why don't you take a stand for THEM???? You sicken me.

What's the point of having a department of Homeland Security when anyone in the entire world can just go to Mexico and cross the border in to the US? Ever hear of 9/11?

Your stupidity and short sightedness amaze me. I am no longer a fan. I can no longer support people with such stupid and narrow views. You are despicable.


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7/28/2010 6:29 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

M5 boys, you should visit www.stopazboycotts.com and see what you are doing to the people who have supported you.


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7/28/2010 3:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I am from Colorado and have several friends in Arizona. You Maroon 5 dolts have a very adolescent viewpoint and clearly no idea of what is really going on. Boycotting Arizona accomplishes nothing except alienating your fan base there. I only own one Maroon 5 cd and it is currently sitting in the trash can waiting to be dumped out with all the rest of the rubbish. Good riddance.


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7/27/2010 8:44 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

Really pathetic. You are hurting no one but your fans in AZ. You're not standing up for anybody or standing against the state by your boycott. Sir Elton John just said it best, and I think he knows a little more about discrimination than you do:

“We are all very pleased to be playing in Arizona. I have read that some of the artists won’t come here. They are (expletive)wits! Let’s face it: I still play in California, and as a gay man I have no legal rights whatsoever. So what’s the (expletive) with these people?”

See?? It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the new law. You are hurting YOUR fans and no one else. Shame on you.

Unless you rethink this and play for your AZ fans, all of your CDs that I own are going in the trash. Not that you care that one little person is throwing away your CDs...why should you when you don't even care about your fans from an entire state.

Time to get off your high horse - you're not making any statement. Well, actually you are. You're making the statement that you're sheep that can't make an original decision based on common sense and intellect. Go ahead and follow the other ignorant bands that chose to cancel their concerts. Way to think for yourselves...pathetic.

Goodbye, Maroon 5.


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7/27/2010 6:57 PM (GMT-08:00)
User RankCommonguys2010

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Re: AZ Boycott

Common you guys, really? You don't live here, you don't understand what's going on here and obviously you don't understand the law, 1070 or any other regarding immigration. Boycotting Arizona does nothing to change the law, it does however change the lives of the people who live and work (legally) here. The regular guy/girl just trying to live. M5 made a poor choice with this ludicrous and uninformed decision. Oh well, us Zonies will stick with our homeboys Gin Blossoms!


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7/27/2010 4:23 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

Gonna add my $0.02 to this as well. You guys are IDIOTS! I live in AZ, you don't. So before you go judging something, you might want to do some research. Did you read the bill? I'm guessing not. I have. It's only about 12 pages long and only the 1st FIVE contain the stuff about asking for proof of citizenship. It's even written in ENGLISH, unlike a lot of things around the state. Some would think, "Duh! This IS America. Why wouldn't it be in English?", but because of the ILLEGALS in the country it's an issue.

And lets be clear, we are not talking JUST about Mexicans here, although there are the biggest issue in AZ. If someone from Mexico wants to be an American, power to 'em! This is a great country. But DO IT THE RIGHT WAY! If you sneak across the border you are no better then the meth dealer down the road. You are a criminal. It's really not much more complicated then that. but from some reason we have all gotten soft and have to coddle lawbreakers. The government of Mexico doesn't tolerate illegal immigrants. Again, do some research and discover what happens to aliens THERE. better yet, try it and let us know what happens. If you ever get back.

I don't want to live in mexico. If I did, I would. I don't want to HAVE to speak Spanish to communicate to people in MY home. If I visit another country I expect to have to learn and follow THEIR laws. Same goes here.

It's time to stop the handouts and the "get out of jail free" passes. If we do that, we'll put a big dent in lots of crime, stop wasting money that should go to American Citizens and maybe even help the job market.

As for YOU guys. Stay out of my state. We don't want you here. Former fans think you are a bunch of bandwagon fools. And next time you decide to champion an issue, do your damn homework. I used to be a fan. I know others who were as well. not any more. And in case you Manager doesn't mention it, that's NOT the best way to sell tunes or concert tickets.


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7/25/2010 5:20 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

The definition of a sovereign nation, "The current notion of state sovereignty was laid down in the Treaty of Westphalia (1648), which, in relation to states, codified the basic principles of territorial integrity, BORDER INVIOLABILITY, and supremacy of the state (rather than the Church)."

The federal government is failing to secure our borders. Arizona falls on the nation's border and if she cannot depend on the federal government than she has the right to enforce her borders for her own citizens. Allegiance by each state and each commonwealth to the Union depends on this very notion for the authority to remain in the hands of the federal government. In this day and age of terrorism, it is absurd for the media, Congress, and the White House administration to suggest this issue has anything to do with race.


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7/25/2010 3:17 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I've won't be purchasing any more Maroon 5 music or concert tickets. Stick to the music and stay out of politics. Very disappointed you've chosen to boycott Arizona.


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7/25/2010 9:02 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

Bravo for this thread! I repeat everything Agmpcam just said.

Like Tammuriah, I have read the bill, the original and the revised. At first I was like, "how could they!!" Then I watched the coverage of all the Sheriffs, the mayors, and people of Arizona voicing their opinions of the matter. This is a HUGE deal, and obviously Maroon 5 (once again) has not researched both sides. I can't speak for the drug operations down there, so I won't. I'm glad we don't deal with that mess up here. But I can speak for the UNEMPLOYED, and I'm sick of illegal immigrants taking our jobs. The majority of the guys in M5 have never held real jobs in their lives. They drive their fancy motorcycles and live in their fancy homes and disregard that all over the country, and especially in AZ because of the border, illegals are STEALING from children's mouths.

M5, I have been a long time fan, but the only thing this "boycott" is doing is taking money out of legal citizens' pockets. I've been to several M5 shows. I'm not going this time around. That's not because of their political beliefs or anything like that. It's because I DON'T HAVE A JOB.

Congratulations on jumping on the PC bandwagon once again without doing any research. Have fun in your unrealistic La La Land.

BTW...if they think this isn't making a direct economic impact, think of the (legal) janitor working at the venue who has now lost out on money from your shows because his salary is based on venue sales. Pick up your shoe. Next to the gum you stepped on is a working class citizen. Have fun spending two years of his salary at the blackjack table.


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7/25/2010 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I was anticipating the upcoming release of your new album, but you have now soured my glee.

Number one, you'll are a rock band and I think that means your job is to play music rather than glorify your adolescent political views. Number two, now that you'll have reached that millionaire status, you'll have quickly begun losing touch with the common American citizen and the day to day living we struggle with. I won't lie nor will I compare my struggles with my American brethren as I am fortunate enough, but it is arrogant of you'll to suggest that a state of citizens are not educated enough to self-govern. It is not your state! Stay out of their business and educate yourselves on the problem illegal immigration has caused in the last twenty years and will cause in the next fifty. Lastly, as a citizen of this great country and being a daughter of immigrants, I am insulted when the media, politicians, Mexicans, other spanish-speaking persons, and this President insinuate that anyone opposed to illegal immigration are racist. Speaking another language does not identify a race! Illegal immigration implies illegal activity!!! Illegal activity that would entail serious and detrimental consequences/legal penalties if you and I were to participate in the same activities! Just look at Mexican law alone and compare how US citizens are denied housing, business licenses, owning real property, how Mexican children are taught that the US stole Texas from Mexico, and how the Mexican government actually distributes pamphlets on how to cross the border illegally!!! Illegal immigration is just one issue that is adding to the bankruptcy of this nation. Your boycott is prematurely thought and based on not just poor logic, but no logic! Please, please, educate yourselves before speaking on this political issue or any other in the future.

A former fan,
Fairfax, VA

PS I also joined just to post. To my brothers and sisters in Arizona, I respect and support you'll 200%.
PPS Tammuriah, reasonable suspicion is equivalent to probable cause which is the usual standard law enforcement uses to charge or arrest anyone of a crime


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7/23/2010 7:13 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I am 43 and have two children 20 and 16. We have all been fans of Maroon5 for years. I was disappointed to hear that the band had made the decision to boycott Arizona. I believe that what makes this Country great is the freedom to voice our opinion and the freedom to choose where to place our support. As a consumer I choose NOT to support Maroon5 any longer because of your support of the boycott. While the loss of my purchase power will not have any visible impact, it will provide me with the opportunity to support other bands with views closer to my own.


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7/11/2010 10:46 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I agree with the notion behind the bill **ducks tomatoes** because the law is the law. We cannot go into Mexico and expect them to change for us so it should not be done here. It’s not fair nor is it practical. However there has to be a better way of doing this.


Now that I have said this I will question the other side. I‘ve read the bill. The bill is too vague. I know that the bill says that it will not use racial profiling, however is there a way to really enforce this? The law only says “reasonable suspicion” That is too vague.
(note I copied and paste from the document found here http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf )

“22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

For example: In order to find illegal Mexicans, you will have to look for Mexicans. If you are looking for a specific group then that defines racial profiling whether it’s for traffic stops etc. I think this is the ONE point where a lot of people have the problem. It’s a bit of a hard situation because our nation is so diverse plus there are a lot of LEGAL residents of MEXICAN descent. Is there anything that protects the LEGAL citizens from being constantly stopped or questioned and have to constantly pull out their credentials because of their background? It is easy for someone who is not a minority to not see this since it does not affect them. They do not have to worry about being questioned because of the way they look. It is easy for them to say “oh well that is life get over it or move somewhere else” when it’s not them. If things were laid out more clearly then I think this would not be as big of an issue. If the law has said in specific situations like all traffic stops or arrests are subject to be questioned then there would be no argument there. I am just concerned about the people who will be unfairly targeted. (The legal ones.) Of course anyone who is illegal and did not file for the correct papers and are just here then I cant support that because its not fair to those who are taking the proper steps. Again I just think that the law needs to be more specific when it comes to the reasonable suspicion part of it. It leaves a lot of room for abuse.


(Ducking more tomatoes) If they are boycotting because of their personal convictions then there is nothing that any of us can do about it. However if it is done for purposes of publicity then I think it is wrong because people will understand personal convictions but people will not buy it if its done to boost their popularity and that goes for anyone who chooses to do so, not just M5.

I am on the side of immigration reform but it has to be better laid out. The parts where they discuss smuggling and the hiring of illegals are laid out clearly (with multiple pages) but the other sections that fall under “reasonable suspicion” are too vague and should be laid out more specific and clearly like the other sections are.


Sorry for the fans in AZ who are missing out. It does suck that everyone is being punished for a few people.


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7/11/2010 6:05 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I am so sorry to hear you are boycotting the State of Arizona. I, in turn, will be boycotting your group and your music. What a sad state of affairs it is when we are being attacked for trying to protect the entire country from the affects of illegal activity that originates at our border. I would be willing to bet that you have not read the bill, nor have you done any kind of research on the origins of this law. If you had, you would know that this is ALREADY a Federal law that is in place, so you really should be boycotting the entire country. Farewell, Maroon 5. It's too bad, too, because I really enjoyed your music; Now I cringe when it comes on the radio..just before I switch the channel.


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6/30/2010 3:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I just made an account on this Forum just to make a post about the boycott. I am an arizonian, and in the Guard, the issue is so key to this state, that we may be placed on the border and taken away from our daily lives, college, work, family, its our job and we will all go with pride, however, for some band to go and stick its nose and have the nerve to "boycott" our state over an issue it knows nothing about. I've lived in this state all my life I see it first hand. To target people economically during hard times is beyond me.

All in all, I'm deleting all your music from my Itunes, and doing so for everyone in my family, Maroon 5 Will not be mentioned in my household or by any of my friends.


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6/29/2010 10:41 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I just find it very disappointing. I don't want to boycott them, I want to enjoy their concert. But instead we're being punished. I don't understand how they can completely cut off an entire state fan base.


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6/29/2010 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

Its sad. It really is. Why are you boycotting? do you guys not understand that it really is an issue here in Arizona? I wont be listening to you guys anymore.


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6/29/2010 3:11 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Re: AZ Boycott

I agree with Janellel 100%. First of all don't judge all us over the decisions of the government and don't judge the decisions of the government until you've lived here with all the crime and have one of you family members or friends get killed by drug dealers from Mexico. At this point I'm choosing to boycott Maroon 5. I will no longer buy your songs off of itunes, your songs will come off of my i-pod and your CDs will go in the trash. YOU made your own decision.


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